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Post by sheena143 on Jul 13, 2007 0:37:53 GMT -5
What do you think and waht would you concider the second one? do you think my himi is show quality and is she a satin? I am new to this
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Post by biblecat on Jul 13, 2007 9:59:45 GMT -5
Its pretty hard to tell from those photos but she looks like she might be a satin to me. Can you take some lighter ones? Take a look at the feet on the himi to be sure there are no pink spots. How old is she? I don't see any smut on her nose from this picture. Is it there? The second one looks to be a tortoiseshell and white but not marked all that well. Do you have a copy of the Standard of Perfection? Your best bet is to buy or borrow a copy and take a look to see what it says about your varieties. both of these look to have kinda pointy noses, which on an American is pretty important.
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Post by skcavies on Jul 13, 2007 18:22:44 GMT -5
The first one doesn't look like a satin in the pic. Can you get better pics? Satins that have white on them usually have a white that looks pearly (not pink though!) or ivory looking. I use to raise American Satin Himis, but don't anymore. www.kcl-caviary.tripod.com -Kaitlynn raised American Satin Himis and has nice ones, also Laurie Lash raised nice American and American Satin Himis. Both of them I'm sure will be at the Watsonville show on July 15, 2007, but I have no clue if they will have Himis for sale with them or not. All I have for sale are longhairs and the rest of my American Solids. And the only litters I currently have coming up are all longhairs.
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Post by sheena143 on Jul 13, 2007 18:54:00 GMT -5
. Do you have a copy of the Standard of Perfection? Your best bet is to buy or borrow a copy and take a look to see what it says about your varieties. both of these look to have kinda pointy noses, which on an American is pretty important. where can I buy one? and are the pointy noses a good thing or bad?
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Post by GONE CAVY on Jul 13, 2007 20:30:03 GMT -5
the second one looks to be a tsw (tortoiseshell and white) but does not have enough of each color to be considered "showable" with tsw's you need to have evenly distributed patches of red, black and white on their back as well as their stomach making as much of a checkerboard effect as possible, and the patching has to be as clean as possible without intermingling of colors.....this is also true of broken americans (or animals that have 2 or more colors) as for the noses, they do look rather pointy to me and would not be something I would like I would have to say that most people who show are looking for the roman type nose. if you are looking at getting into showing, then you need to get with a reputable breeder and hopefully they will be honest with you and help you get started with some "showable" animals. Now just remember though, breeders are not going to sell you their absolute best, they usually keep these themselves, but they will usually sell you something that is either a breeder or showable, meaning that it has nothing that will dq you from the table. You can purchase a standard of perfection book on the arba (american rabbit breeders association) website.
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Post by skcavies on Jul 14, 2007 0:24:13 GMT -5
There are some pics of American Satin and American Himalayans. The latter two in the picture are younger Himis, that is why they don't have the nice deep black smuts of Twinkle Fairy, the one in the first three pics. Himis are a challenge, but fun- I want to try to work on them in Longhairs. But from the picture, it looks like the himi has a pretty light and barely there smut- it would be best to get some good quality himis to use. You can get a Standard of Perfection from KW cages (www.kwcages.com), ARBA (www.arba.net), possibly on Amazon you can get a used one if available. Pointy noses aren't ideal- though color matters a bit more, you still want decent type. I had a problem with "ratty" type with my American Satin Himalayans. I don't raise American Satin Himis anymore. The other in the photo does look like a TSW- looks like the min. to be showable since it looks like enough red, and I see more black on the other side of the pig. But it wouldn't be competitive. Also be careful with what you buy- ALWAYS check the cavy's sex since anyone can mistake the cavy's sex. Also ALWAYS check for lices, mites, etc. There is nothing fun about bringing home an animal infested with lice or mites! Try not to go for the first cavy, since you can, most of the time, find better. Be picky, because that is what will help you develop your herd better and make sure you aren't coming home with cavies that can't really do anything in your herd. Sure cavy people for the most part are honest, but be careful. I don't mean to talk negative, but there were these one breeders that I would talk to, that had sold someone a sterile boar and sold him as a breeder and with a sow... all I could think was how wrong that is! Lying is bad, bad! Your best bet would be talking with Himi breeders at shows and see the Himis being shown to gain knowledge, and try to find a mentor so that you don't end up getting the "junk" (so to speak) since you are just cavy shopping by yourself without the upmost knowledge on the variety and breed. I know I didn't have good cavies when I first started out- and was getting them just by myself! Please do know that Satins are usually not as hardy as non satins, and can get certain health problems.
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Post by green on Aug 4, 2007 2:21:25 GMT -5
The first one doesn't look like a satin in the pic,and I think the second is a satin.Both of them are cute.
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Post by green on Sept 11, 2007 6:07:21 GMT -5
The second is a satin.
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